auto loader saga continues

[BluePrints]

Now in all fairness the customer rep was very polite, but she was not interested in truly diagnosing the problem nor did she offer to give me a warranty return authorization number. I did not push the issue, and I'm betting that if I insisted she would have allowed me to send the gun in for a warranty look see. I was also very polite but as indicated above, let her know that I was not happy about this so called break in period in which the gun is not expected to perform correctly.

She would have let you send it back if you asked. I have a Benneli Nova that has had 3 visits to Pokomoke MD to be redone. Now with a new barrel and all new guts it supposedly works. I doubt I'll use it but I should probably shoot it just to see if it works correctly.

In all seriousness every new auto I've heard of in the last few years doesn't function 100% correct until they have had 3 or 4 hundred shells thru them. By correct I mean that they will not cycle a low brass skeet round. They should still never jam, just not cycle.

[Flatdog]

Hi guy's I do not enter the fray on these discussions that often, "but" here is an observation about auto's if you even think about or instinctively roll with the shot, IE you are not "planted" or the boat is moving under recoil of the first shot or second,or the bird climbs as you squeeze and you are rolling backwards to get the altitude they jam, take any auto shot gun fire from the hip while holding locked up as still as possible as you can, it will cycle the second round, now pull the gun backward as you shoot the 2nd round, and watch the jam that follows that shot, every time a coconut. If you really good at it you can get an M16,FAL, AK47 to do the same thing limp hands, slack arms. Just hug and lean into that thing like it is the last time you will see your wife, and 98% of your Jams will not happen.
Have to agree though strip it from new bathe it in anything to get rid of the factory crap that is all over it and use a Teflon type spray, me still love G96 love the smell and It has worked well all over Africa.

[jjudge]

Glenn, I have a beretta that did exactly what you are talking about. Take the gun completely apart, get all the packing junk out of it with a cleaner--non oil based cleaner. I then took steel wool and went over all the tracks, rods; everything; and broke them in by hand. I never had another problem until I had to use it as a walking stick to get out of a marsh. (Basically i filled the gun with mud). Cleaned it and now have shot many thousand shells thru it over the last couple of years with very few problems.

Just two weeks ago I started to have the same problem again so I gave it to a gun smith friend of mine and he did exactly what I had done a few years before....works great again. Killed limits this morning in the rain with it.

[#1Gaffman]

Wrong spaghetti gun, that would be a Extrema2 that jammed. The same $1300 gun he cleans every week and can't let it get wet or it will jam again. Yet the DA thinks it's the best gun out there and mine is a POS.

This year alone I have seen 3 extrema 2's, 2 391 silver mallards, 1 stoger 2000, 1 SBE and of course the pos Bakail jam while mine shoots the ducks instead.

yea thats right the extrema 2. Woo ha he was pissed. I seriouslly thought he was about to start smashing the gun on the ground haha...

Are you ready for the buffle gauntlet saturday? They all must die!

[mrfishy]

I've had my M2 for two years now its been flawless til last week. I experienced the same thing you did, I just did the basic "field strip" and sprayed the whole thing with CRC656. 656 has been the best gun (and reel oil) that I've found it gets all the rust off the barrel and doesn't freeze like some I've used in the past.

[N2theBlue]

Now a second reason that I leaned toward the pump. Autos "borrow" a little gas from the shot to complete the cycle. Not a lot but some. I have come to feel that I have a couple extra yards of killin range by using all the blam available.

Benellis are inertia operated, not gas.

just an fyi since i shoot a pump also (a benelli nova) and have no dog in this fight

[gottaflylee]

Hi guy's I do not enter the fray on these discussions that often, "but" here is an observation about auto's if you even think about or instinctively roll with the shot, IE you are not "planted" or the boat is moving under recoil of the first shot or second,or the bird climbs as you squeeze and you are rolling backwards to get the altitude they jam, take any auto shot gun fire from the hip while holding locked up as still as possible as you can, it will cycle the second round, now pull the gun backward as you shoot the 2nd round, and watch the jam that follows that shot, every time a coconut. If you really good at it you can get an M16,FAL, AK47 to do the same thing limp hands, slack arms. Just hug and lean into that thing like it is the last time you will see your wife, and 98% of your Jams will not happen.
Have to agree though strip it from new bathe it in anything to get rid of the factory crap that is all over it and use a Teflon type spray, me still love G96 love the smell and It has worked well all over Africa.

Flatdog, I understand what you are saying here but you can take my old A5 and I don't care how you shoot it, it WILL not jam unless you putting damp paper shells through it and yes, it has shot a few paper shells in its life time...

I also own a Reminton in the same frame in 12 & 16 gage and there are the same way. My thought with this thread is if they could build a semi auto that worked back in the 50s and 60s, with all the morden teck we have today, what is so hard about making one the works now.

Any gun that has these types of proubems today is totaly unexecpable in my opinion.

Glenn, I was a little suprised at the responce that you recived. The company knows that this is a major proublem and they are passing it on to the cosumer and it is up to us to work it out... unbelieveabull...

[Glenn W]

Flatdog, I understand what you are saying here but you can take my old A5 and I don't care how you shoot it, it WILL not jam unless you putting damp paper shells through it and yes, it has shot a few paper shells in its life time...

I also own a Reminton in the same frame in 12 & 16 gage and there are the same way. My thought with this thread is if they could build a semi auto that worked back in the 50s and 60s, with all the morden teck we have today, what is so hard about making one the works now.

Any gun that has these types of proubems today is totaly unexecpable in my opinion.

Glenn, I was a little suprised at the responce that you recived. The company knows that this is a major proublem and they are passing it on to the cosumer and it is up to us to work it out... unbelieveabull...

Lee, I agree 100%. I guess the "break in" thing is their story and they are sticking to it---- sure is cheaper for them. Your observation about being able to make autoloaders 50 years ago that were (still are) reliable, is the whole point of this thread.
That's it for me ducking this season--- got skunked yesterday afternoon and a Black and Mallard this morning--- slim pickings up this way.

[mudshark]

Glenn, sorry to hear about your problems. I have an M1 and the only times I have problems is if I have not mounted the gun correctly as you need a solid shoulder mount for the inertia to work as designed. I don't remember if it was in the manual or if I was advised by a friend (a lot of my friends shoot and swear by M2s) but the night I got it I sat there watching TV and cycled it a few hundred times by hand to break in the action, you should not have to fire live rounds to break it in. We as a group almost all shoot Federal rounds, not sure it makes a huge a huge difference but I will say that for whatever reason besides being dirty as hell Kent does not tend to agree well with the benellis. I have shot my gun in everything from 90 degrees to flat zero (run em dry when it is that cold!) and it has been awesome. I also had a problem with the stock on my Nova and they replaced it flat out. Hope you iron this out.